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> Not at all.? Kim and I seem to be the only 2 votes for Stallions and the rest are against so we've heard plenty from the other side and you're welcome to state your opinion as well.? My question is, if there is an overpopulation of horses why isn't everyone required to combat the problem?? Why is it only the rescue people who should "get another one off the back of a truck" as you said?? Why can't a show horse owner visit the back of a truck and hope for the best?? Either way you take a gamble because you don't know that the show horses foals will measure up.? Look at Secretariat.? When you purchased your show horse you probably thought she was beautiful and what her foals would look like.? I've done the same thing with my horse.? In fact there is a particular sense of satisfaction knowing that you rescued a horse from the brink of death and tremendous joy of seeing him establish a heard of his own and have babies.? Sort of like helping a homeless person get a fresh start.? Wouldn't you want to see him find a good job,?have a wife, children and a home of his own?? Of course.? It's the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.? A fresh start.? A comeback story.? Why should I be denied that right?just because my horse doesn't have champion blood lines??
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> From: twinpinesmt <twinpinesmt@...>
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> Subject: [AskAVet] Re: Stallions
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> So you are telling me that I cannot tell the other side of the story? I was just stating facts.
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> Another FACT horses are livestock, if an animal doesnt fit a program you cull and move on, maybe they will find a nice home or fit into another program. You genderally do not have control of what happens to that horse once it leaves your hands. Now I dont agree with overbreeding and I dont agree with cloning. My mares have not earned a ton of money, one is by a big time horse and a reiner flunky..she is now a super ranch/cowhorse; the other is out of no name horses with tons of history behind them and was a team penner and is now a ranch horse. They at least have jobs and will earn their retirement.
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> I am happy that you two rescue, but why add babies when you could take another horse off the truck? I have thought long and hard about breeding my burro, but I think I will waite and adopt one instead.
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> Now if Im looking for a kids or husband safe horse I would get a nice old broke horse that might have some issues, but might not have a pedigree or papers...that is safe. I would take it over any pedigreed horse. BUT it generally takes time to make that horse.
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> > If a newbie read the posts they would have seen that all the warm and fuzzy stuff Kim and I mentioned about our Stallions was perfectly balanced out by the sage advice of the experienced horse owners who encouraged us to geld.? I think the open dialog is beneficial as it gives both sides and multiple options.? I think we should give newbies some credit.? Being one myself I can say newbie is not exactly synonymous with stupid :)? I don't think any 1000 lb animal with the ability to kick my head off is warm or fuzzy.? Yes I love my horses and yes I think they are adorable but I never let my guard down nor do I ever forget they can kill me, stallion, gelded, mare or foal.?
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> > I totally agree with you,?stallions are not warm and fuzzy but that goes for any horse.? They can be a lot of work.? Their natural instincts kick in and they will buck and rear and hurt you?but I also believe that a healthy stallion discussion is the best thing for a newbie to hear.? You get both sides and a wealth of information so you can make an informed decision.??If I'd had one of these open dialogs before I purchased Sonny maybe I wouldn't have bought him.? We'll never know.? It's too late now,?the dye is cast.? I already have him and thanks to the very informative and patient members on this board, I will have him gelded...in?a year or so.? I truly appreciate all the input.? I don't claim to be a know it all.? I'm here to learn so I really respect everyone's opinion.?
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> > I am just stating facts that I have seen and herd first hand knowledge..now lets say newbies come on here and hear all the fuzzy talk about stallions and how nice they are. so they go out and get one and a mare and hope to have nice fuzzy little babies because they can...and they end up with a monster. Im not mad at you, people need to understand most stallions are not all warm and fuzzy and many of them live very frustrating lives.
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> > My stallion was just like yours (raised, owned, shown, trained horses my entire life) at home. ride him anywhere do anything with him. He was comfortable in his own domain...take him away from home to lessons and he was a totally different horse, challenging everything in site. He wasnt mean about it nore was he too terribly dangerous about it either. But there was NO way in hell that he was going to make a show horse or that I could enjoy him outside the ranch. In otherwords I couldnt get him out in public to prove himself or help the neighbors. I had plenty enough interest in him to get a bussiness breeding, but was I going to let him live a miserable lonly life without a job NO. So I gelded him a year ago, he now can live with all of the horses (he can still 'breed' a mare however), he has been shown and I have been helping the neighbors and they can help me. He is a much much happier horse now.
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