Wow this is all so fascinating learning about the stallion instinct and how strong it is. Come to think of it I have seen Tonto "drive" the geldings away before, but I had no idea this is what he was doing as my horses all pretty much bicker and fight!!! But now I understand. He is doing what he was programmed to do. We have rain for the next week, so I have spent the whole day with them and there were no problems, so it seems to be working out. I fed them plenty to keep them distracted, too. So I feel ok about trusting them while I am at work.
We have a big black Friesan at work, Lisa, you would love him.. He is very spooky though. But it is funny, everyone thinks I am mad, but I talk this little horse language to them (people call it my horse Chinese!) in a cute little voice and horses love it. The Friesan really does not wanna go near anyone but his owner, but he broke off tie up one day and I spoke to him in my little horse voice and he came straight over to me and let me catch him. LOL, I must be speakin the right language!
I am so glad you ordered Cloud, Lisa, I am sure we will both be raving about it shortly. Yeah Sonny might get some big ideas if he gets his hooves on it!!! I will be sure to put Tonto to bed early the night I wanna watch it!! Sonny sounds just like my two little colts. I am lucky that Tonto is still nice and in actual fact, now he has more confidence, his nature towards humans has improved. He was very shy and jumpy before, but now he lets me drape myself all over him. Tonto does look scary though, with his blue eye! He has never hurt me, except once, when I first got him, I was letting him out the gate and he just bit my arm to say let me go! He only did this once, I believe like Sonny he was abused.
I have also ordered Large Animal Rescue book and DVDs by Michelle Staples, as we have nothing like that in Australia, no seminars, nothing and I think it is so important to know this stuff. It looks fascinating. I ordered it direct from her website, where it was cheaper than Amazon. I want to be prepared for anything!! It teaches you how to handle an emergency situation with your horse, should the trailer (float) roll over or should the horse go down or get stuck in a crevice or whatever, serious situations. That way, I can instruct people on what to do, rather than just stand there looking helpless. I think this is essential to have some sort of knowledge on. I know bolt cutters are a handy item to have.
Kim xoxoxo
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From: "PrincessLisa369@aol.com" <PrincessLisa369@aol.com>
To: askavet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 2:03:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AskAVet] Re: infertil stallion
I see. I thought horses were pretty much domesticated animals, not leaving them much option to just find another heard but I guess there are more wild horses out there than I thought. I'd sure like to spend a day watching how they behave in the wild. That would be awesome. Thanks Tim.
Lisa
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From: Tim Vanloan <vanloan79@yahoo. com>
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Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 3:47 am
Subject: Re: [AskAVet] Re: infertil stallion
In animal populations it's very common for the males to move on as they begin to approach sexual maturity. I can't say this is specific for horses but in other animal populations we used to think it was from the mothers chasing them away, but in many cases they'll relocate even if something happens to the mother. This has been well studied in whitetail deer. Fawns that lost their mothers still tend to relocate, so I would assume its a response to some type of genetic coding.
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, PrincessLisa369@ aol.com <PrincessLisa369@ aol.com> wrote:
From: PrincessLisa369@ aol.com <PrincessLisa369@ aol.com>
Subject: Re: [AskAVet] Re: infertil stallion
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:10 PM
Thank you CJ. That's interesting. They kick the maturing males out just like Lions. Stallions really do have a hard time in the wild. I guess what they say is true, there can be only one stallion in a barn.
Lisa
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From: CJ Ewell <fnp_cj@hotmail. com>
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 6:12 pm
Subject: RE: [AskAVet] Re: infertil stallion
Out in the wild a colt is banished from his mother's band somewhere around 18 mo, give or take (and this seems to be related to the season he was born in and the geographical area). He meets up with others like him and they form a bachelor band. As they mature, they will each try to invade and take over a band of mares from an established stallion. This may take many attempts. Some are badly injured, some die. Some never make it.
Those who succeed then must take care of that band, until another upstart comes along. Life is not easy for a stallion in the wild.
CJ Ewell
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
From: PrincessLisa369@ aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:22:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [AskAVet] Re: infertil stallion
Since I'm forever on a quest to learn and grow I have to ask.? I read a lot about "natural horsemanship" and maintaining the integrity of the horse.? They say he should be able to do what comes naturally to him and so on and we should learn how horses behave rather than forcing them to behave as we do so to speak.? So with that in mind,?w
hat would?the stallion?do if he were out in the wild?? I'm really just wondering.?
Lisa
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From: oagrant <oagrant@roadrunner . com>
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 9:17 am
Subject: [AskAVet] Re: infertil stallion
I've been following this thread a
nd finally decided to put in my 2 cents worth. I'm thinking of the frustration this poor stallion is feeling, being out with "his" mares and not being able to perform. While it may seem amusing to watch him trying to accomplish the deed, it just seems cruel to me. Either get him a mare he can actually penetrate or keep him away from mares or geld him. JMHO
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--- In askavet@yahoogroups .com, Kim Hollingsworth <kim_hollingsworth@ ...> wrote:
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> Yeah I was glad the sheath cleaning was mentioned, it's a very important point as well as the point that while our stallions may be fumbling right now with their doodles, they may not forever.? This morning Tonto was with the mare that "mothered" him and he was standing beside her and err, how shall I put it, just copulating with nothing.? Then he tried, and again, he can't reach, so aborts.?
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