Thanks for your reply. Yeah you are spot on there, there are still some active ones left after gelding. I had a couple of other colts gelded in the past and keeping them locked up after was important they say. Great point. I know of people who have let them out a week after gelding with "surprising" results 11 months later :))) So, yes, very important point Shirley.
Kim xoxoxoox
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From: Shirley Hayworth <slhayworth2003@yahoo.com>
To: askavet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009 11:47:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AskAVet] Stallion infertility???
Kim, you do know that it is possible he can still sire a foal for the next 3 weeks or so, don't you? That is what my vet has told me when gelding a mature stallion.
Shirley
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Kim Hollingsworth <kim_hollingsworth@ yahoo.com. au> wrote:
From: Kim Hollingsworth <kim_hollingsworth@ yahoo.com. au>
Subject: Re: [AskAVet] Stallion infertility? ??
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:04 PM
Hi Lisa,
Wow I loved your reply. You are so lucky having a little 3 year old intact and running around, yee ha!! It helps that you feel my pain!!! While everyone here has been super nice about it, people around me are not so nice at home. They have been at me for 4 years to get him done. They said I would have 500 foals by now....
But I trusted my gut with him and he has been a good boy, though since he hit age 5 (which I predicted to all those who told me he would get them all in foal before then) he has now just recently changed into a REAL stallion, not just a whinnying crazy boy!!! I have two 3 year old colts who are still placid and do foal teeth clacking to the horny mares, so they are ok, and your young man may also be just like my 3 year olds, a young gentleman not quite there yet!!! I find with mine, the change happens at 4 to 5 years, more so than 2 or 3. Though I did have a maniac colt, who at 2 was rearing to go!!! He HAD to be gelded, he was out of control!!!
I LOVE your point about the man with 6 kids!!! EXACTLY!!! I look at all the ones who tell me and I feel like sayin, "Why don't you knacker yourself.... and your wife... and adopt those poor kids out!!!????" That's precisely what they are saying to us, when they tell us not to have a foal, and to get rid of it if we do! And geld the stallion! Why don't they geld their kids, who will just end up like their loser Dad!!!??? LOL
So, my solution has been to take everything on board, and while I had two days where I chickened out, I looked into the future and thought, well, I gave my Tonto a good innings, 5 years is a good time for him, if he was meant to make babies to have done so. And I do suspect this one mare here who had 6 babies with former owners might be barehoofed in the kitchen next year, as she acts like his wife now! So, I said to myself, hey if it's meant to be, I will be blessed with a little Tonto next year, or two little Tontos, and they will be welcomed and stay here with me, so I am not just gonna throw them to the sales. I had many offers to breed mares to Tonto, but at the fear of what would happen to his foals, I said NO!! People said, "Why in the hell does she have a stallion then???" They could not understand that it was not for the pleasure of foals and money, it was for the pleasure of experiencing his war cries and antics!
The vet is coming in a few hours. I watched Tonto mount his last mare, who he can't reach anyway!!! She is a 16.2 TB and he is barely 15 hh, so he has a lot of trouble, he seems to rub himself on them, then give up!!!!. He is still in with them all chatting to them now, but I feel I am ready (well kinda) now, as the alternative for me at this stage is every mare possibly in foal, and three Tontos would be enough!!! I don't want 100 Tontos!!!
Anyway, yeah, I still feel as though I am massacring him, and I would love to keep him as a stallion, but my gut is now sayin, you had a good run, it's time. So, yeah, poor little Tonto! But I am hoping all that everyone says here is right and he comes out of it just as cheery and happy as he is, but just without those bouncy bits!!! ha ha LOL.
Thanks Lisa, it is great to know I am not the only one with such a passion for stallions!! I say keep your man intact, and like me, you will get many years enjoyment, but when you start to think, oops, then that's the time to start thinking about options, if ya need to. And I unfortunately got to that stage now. It was just he was such a funny stallion, that I hesitated so long. But I hope he will be a funny gelding as of this afternoon. :((( Well, kinda.
Kim xoxoxoxo
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From: "PrincessLisa369@ aol.com" <PrincessLisa369@ aol.com>
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009 1:53:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AskAVet] Stallion infertility? ??
Kim,
I soooo totally feel your pain.? My stallion is 3 and I just can't bring myself to do it to him.? I have taken a LOT of flack about?it?because some people have strong, overbearing and sometimes obnoxious?opinions about this, which they?are entitled to but?at the end of the day he's my horse, I paid for him and?any decisions made about him are?mine to make.? I know a man that has 6 children he doesn't take care of and he continues??to procreate.? I think he should be?gelded but I don't have the right to force my opinion down his throat nor does anyone have a right to?bully me into?gelding my horse.? I hope you find a workable solution.? I know just how you feel.
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Hollingsworth <kim_hollingsworth@ yahoo.com. au>
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, Sep 28, 2009 4:48 am
Subject: [AskAVet] Stallion infertility? ??
Ok here is my dilemma.
I adore my stallion.? He is sweet, quiet, etc.? I locked him up to get him gelded today and just could not go through with it.? So I told him to run and let him out.
Is there a test that can tell you if they are infertile?? If so how does it work?
Even though he has been with mares for 5 years, there is not one in foal, though he has shown interest etc.
It is very difficult for me to make this decision, I guess I love his personality and watching him and his antics and am hoping he might be infertile, which may or may not mean I don't have to geld him?? He is easy to handle.? Both testes are visible and he obviously likes mares....
It may sound silly, but I was just hoping for some advice as I just could not go through with it today, even though in the past I gelded two colts.? There is just something so loveable about him being a stallion, and I guess I am scared of losing that.? He is 5 years old.?
Thanks.? Kim
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From: "PrincessLisa369@ aol.com" <PrincessLisa369@ aol.com>
To: askavet@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Sunday, 27 September, 2009 3:32:50 PM
Subject: [AskAVet] Bleach Bath?
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I'm new to horse ownership and everyday I learn more and more how different horses are to care for than dogs.? Some of the remedies and solutions people use for their horses have made my eyes pop but I don't now everything so I ask questions.? I know a guy who?washes his horse with laundry detergent and bleach...yes bleach.??He said that a person from animal control told him it keeps bugs off of him.? Is this true?
Lisa
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